Shattered Ring habitability (2024)

I may be missing something, but shouldnt the shattered ring origin override the habitability to ringworlds just like the habitat origin does?

Bug or feature?

Momento Mori said:

I may be missing something, but shouldnt the shattered ring origin override the habitability to ringworlds just like the habitat origin does?

Bug or feature?

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It would be a lot harsher because you don't have the facility to build new ringworlds with the origin.

You'd be crippled until end game.

DreadLindwyrm said:

It would be a lot harsher because you don't have the facility to build new ringworlds with the origin.

You'd be crippled until end game.

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At least it would balance things out. Relic/Gaia/Habitats are still there, plus robots. Compare it to Life-Seeded. Still, very good for despoiler/NA runs.

A ring world is quite a bit stronger than a habitat though, eh?

plus you could just take droids & colonise with them.

The Shattered Ring origin does seem to be the most powerful one. 20 researchers right from the start is a hell of a head start. There is even a mechanic to pay for the district maintenance costs for you!

Anything that nerfs it a bit would be welcome. Forcing the species to Ring World preference would be a good idea.

Forcing species to a ring world preference will make this origin pretty much useless.

You'll have practically zero capacity to produce alloys or minerals unless you get incredibly lucky with high mineral deposits in the systems around you---and no good way to get more minerals either aside from just blobbing out everywhere.

I'm not sure if it's better/worse than void dwellers though.

Void dwellers is going to have huge pop growth and the ability to utilize habitat specializations to really drive hyper-focused builds--I wouldn't be all surprised that, once theorecrafing and testing is done, someone figures out that void dwellers is likely the best/fastest "research/unity/etc" build in the game--the +15% output is extremely high, and some of the (fairly strong) habitat specializations just pushes that line even more.

Not going to deny that it's strong, but making it into Life Seeded 2.0 just destroys the origin.

Fox McCloud said:

Forcing species to a ring world preference will make this origin pretty much useless.

You'll have practically zero capacity to produce alloys or minerals unless you get incredibly lucky with high mineral deposits in the systems around you---and no good way to get more minerals either aside from just blobbing out everywhere.

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Yep, Ringworld would get screwed hard if it was unable to colonize anything and was unlucky enough to not be able to conquer/migrate pops of other habitabilities. This goes especially for hiveminds who now ironically need the most minerals for power their researches (heaven help someone who has picked a lithoid hivemind ringworld). Void Dweller can at least prosper for some low bar of prospering. 3k alloys is certainly a lot but you can certainly get enough minerals to fuel that and start snowballing up with more mineral/research habitats.

Fox McCloud said:

Void dwellers is going to have huge pop growth and the ability to utilize habitat specializations to really drive hyper-focused builds--I wouldn't be all surprised that, once theorecrafing and testing is done, someone figures out that void dwellers is likely the best/fastest "research/unity/etc" build in the game--the +15% output is extremely high, and some of the (fairly strong) habitat specializations just pushes that line even more.

Not going to deny that it's strong, but making it into Life Seeded 2.0 just destroys the origin.

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Its definitely not the best because it still doesn't give you an 84 pop 3 colony start like Hegemony/Common Ground does.

Also, with how research works, +15% research isn't quite as great as it seems. Its quickly weakened by all of the +20% research bonuses running around along with the fact that research is now far more about getting big quickly rather than stacking research bonuses. The Void Dweller trait is most effective as an Alloy/Fleet booster for early conquest, which will snowball your growth quicker.

Dr. Crabnipples said:

they should at some point make an attempt at balance

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I mean, they deliberately said "Some of these origins are meant to be straight-up more powerful than others", so I'm fine with it.

DreadLindwyrm said:

It would be a lot harsher because you don't have the facility to build new ringworlds with the origin.

You'd be crippled until end game.

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If it was like the trait you get from life-seeded you could still colonize gaia worlds, and regardless habitats should still be 100% habitablity.

Velorian said:

If it was like the trait you get from life-seeded you could still colonize gaia worlds, and regardless habitats should still be 100% habitablity.

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You couldn't get habitats for a long time and taking advantage of your ringworld's research would be next to impossible without the ability to colonize worlds. Sure you might barely inch by through mining minerals from space and getting CG goods from ringworld buildings but then someone who can build alloys comes knocking and kills you because you are a Ringworld trying to get all the way to Habitats without a fleet for defence. Gaias, of course, are rare as hell.

Void Dwellers on the other hand can absolutely start building new habitats at least as early as the 2230s and quickly move to churning out a habitat every 5 years, then eventually every 2 years. They are quite competent as far as self-sufficiency and self-development goes, though some food from planets helps greatly. You tend to have enough minerals just as a matter of fact and your massive pop growth means you can throw down an impressive amount of trade once all the energy habitats are full.

Badesumofu said:

I don't think it needs to be changed at all, other than to maybe to have This Origin will make your game easier added to the description text or something like that.

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Some text like that to caveat choices would be really useful actually. The hidden issues with Federated starts really harshed some of our MP players buzz.